south
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Post by south on Jul 2, 2007 19:24:13 GMT
I ent from bristol, where im from there aint no scene of any kind at all so the bristol scene seemes pretty dope. I think on the whole the vibe is a bit more hospitable then other scene. You bristol people seem up for a laugh and all that which is cool. Its one of the only places where people i have never met before come and have a chat, i dont know if thats bristol as a scene or just the croft as a pub but i think its cool
The shows seem to be a bit heavier on the whole then other places but thats cool. Crossover bills are what UKHC/ uk underground music need in general. As ian glasper once worte on a medulla nocte/freebase? (think it was) split. They sxe kids only go to sxe shows, metalcore kids only go to metal shows, old school kids only gop to old school shows is the day UKHC dies!
I like the mix of push mosh/dancing in bristol, its one of the only places ive been where i dont think anyone cares about what other people are doing, which is mint. Kis should be able to go to a hardcore show without being judged by people!!
so yeah to sum up, gigs ive been to (not alot but enough to comment) are run well, friendly and reasonably priced so cant complian.
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Post by Aimee Hate on Jul 2, 2007 21:44:20 GMT
[And what's wrong with just putting on a GOOD show with GOOD bands as opposed to setting out to put on purely a Hardcore show or a Metal show.]
Absolutley nothing. Why is everyone getting their arses up about metal bands? The title of this thread is The Bristol HARDCORE Scene, not the Bristol metalcore scene. Talk about hardcore.
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Post by The Corleone Family on Jul 2, 2007 21:47:20 GMT
The point is, the two are part of the same thing in Bristol as there aren't enough hardcore bands or fans for their to be an independent scene.
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Post by VeganxBen on Jul 2, 2007 22:33:14 GMT
thats true! cos lets face it! how many actual "hardcore" bands are there. Now i know hardcore is an ethic not a sound. But there are deffo more metal bands than hardcore bands in bristol. So in order to get a full line up and vary local support it has to include other "metal" bands. Its irrelavent wether you consider them a hardcore band or not. I think it just comes down to the fact that by chance more people in Bristol enjoy a metal sound more than judge style stomp parts!!
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Post by xcorpsex on Jul 27, 2008 13:44:14 GMT
Oi Aime's... shut the hell up!!!! you've never even been to an NWS show! stop talkin trash about everything and grow up!! you're such an old woman now!!!
Everyone else..... why are you all bitching?
If you have such a problem with the way things are run in this town then get off your asses and put on you own show!!!
and to all the retards talkin shit about me and my Cru.... say it to our fu**ing faces please!!!
DEATH IS THE OUTCOME!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
thanks. xxxxxx
now continue talking utter s**t.
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Post by mouseclaw on Jul 27, 2008 19:09:49 GMT
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Post by Aimee Hate on Jul 27, 2008 20:35:07 GMT
Oi Aime's... shut the hell up!!!! you've never even been to an NWS show! stop talkin trash about everything and grow up!! you're such an old woman now!!! Everyone else..... why are you all bitching? If you have such a problem with the way things are run in this town then get off your asses and put on you own show!!! and to all the retards talkin shit about me and my Cru.... say it to our fu**ing faces please!!! DEATH IS THE OUTCOME!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH thanks. xxxxxx now continue talking utter s**t. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL. Wish I could be bothered to rip that apart but im old and boring now (and I need to grow up?!?! ?) But on a positive and CONSTRUCTIVE note (considering this post is over a year old) its interesting to read how everyone felt a year ago and to see how things have changed. On a whole its totally posi. Been to some seriously rad shows in Bristol over the past year. Now I dont live in Bristol I miss it..But I like married life in Cardiff
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Post by VeganxBen on Jul 29, 2008 23:20:41 GMT
seriously?! how sick was h2o. Bristol just keeps getting better and better! more sick shows coming up! sick bands from around here gettin noticed. its all pretty sweet really.
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alex
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Post by alex on Aug 2, 2008 9:11:28 GMT
Yo, you all know Im new to the forum, yet you all know me in person.. I've been to very few of the shows yeah im local(Frome) i do try whatever I can to get to a show, yeah in the past may of said I'd be there and never show up. But I don thave to relay on public transport. Most my mates dont listen to hardcore, Yeah Frome has few bands, mainly up and coming.. More Than Life are half Frome, Counting Days are coming up, Draw The Line are down the road. We have no scene at all, we got the cheese n grain, where a few bands have played. Our last big name was Napalm Death, yeah 50 people went, whats all that about. No one knew what they stood for, and got bored of them talking about politics, in my eyes what they are. Try to give you thought but people didnt wanna hear it. We once had knuckledust play about 4years ago, i was the only one at the front. and about 10 people sitting on seats behind me thinking blimey their guitarist is big. What Im sayin is Bristol doesnt need to be big, we need surrounding towns and cities to help it, promotions/ street team sounds ghey but Im sure it would help, more DIY needs/ releases, I've said to Chris who's part of unch I wanna help with them. Think we need a local label like rucktion, help bands get heard. make Bristol a worldwide thang Frans put on some great names you wouldnt think of possible to see come to bristol, c'mon Danny Diablo at the end of the month.. geez thats sick!! Yea NWS tonight last show, another band doin what they've wanted but the cruel scene let them down. i ask the question, what really big south west bands do we have?
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alex
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Post by alex on Aug 2, 2008 9:14:59 GMT
As ian glasper once worte on a medulla nocte/freebase? (think it was) split. They sxe kids only go to sxe shows, metalcore kids only go to metal shows, old school kids only gop to old school shows is the day UKHC dies! great quote yeah, nice writing in that CD by Glasper.. so true with what is said.although wrote about 5years ago, it stays true to the day. No wander Glasper left SG, the whole scene in general is a sham
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Post by 3j3ct4 on Aug 3, 2008 17:49:35 GMT
On the subject of Push-Moshing: what exactly is the alternative? People standing around barely moving whilst 2 people "slam-dance" completely separate from everyone else? The alternative is people caring more about what they look like and how other people concieve them than what they actually contribute to a show. What you essentially say by stopping people from push-moshing is to isolate people from other people in the scene. In bristol, unlike pretty much every other community around the country, people actually PICK EACHOTHER UP. Not just if they're in "their crew" but anyone who goes down.
Push moshing is in essence violence, true. But i refuse the suggestion that it is anti-constructive. If somebody truely is violent and has no regard for everyone else the solution is not to fucking all walk outside and complain that its "too violent in there" and "they're aload of pricks" or even to fuckin' bad-mouth them on a website. The solution is to say "what the fuck are you doing?" The solution is to confront the problem, NOT run away from it.
Push-moshing BUILDS communities. People i've never met before in my life i mosh with. and if someone gets hurt you check they're alright. When you push-mosh you form bonds with the people around you, you embrace and tap people on the back as apprieciation.
For people who claim they want to "build a community" you seem pretty fucking dis-jointed from what is the MAINSTAY of everything that has given this any fucking meaning whatsoever. It's about the people BESIDE you. Having a good time. Standing your ground and sharing ideas.
Far from keeping people out of the scene, push-moshing gets them involved. You really think if someone who's never been to a show before comes along they'd be more impressed and likely to come back for more if they saw a room full of people swaying slightly, than if they saw people jumping around and having a good time, picking eachother up, getting involved with gang vocals? i'm sorry but what you're suggesting is a move from active "putting yourself on the line to make a difference" into a passive "we'll make a difference unless anyone objects in which case we'll fade quietly into the background."
On the note of sub-genre independence.. whenever i've been to a vegan/straight edge show it's always the same. people roughly dotted around the front barely moving with lots of girls at the front who complain if anyone even attempts to stir up abit of passion in the room.
Now i'm all for girls at shows. But if they're not prepared to put themselves on the line, (the same with guys,) there IS a place for them. It's called the back of the fucking room. That is the natural structure of a hardcore pit.
People who want to watch and/or generally admire the show at the back. People in the pit to provide movement and general atmosphere. Static People at the front and at the sides to help with gang vocals, picking people up from the pit, crowd surfing etc. Generally, any supportive role.
It doesnt matter whether you're a girl or a boy. You can fit into any of those categories. What matters is that people from one category start dis-abling the other categories from doing their bit. without all 3 types of people. you get a stagnant pit. A stagnant pit leads to a stagnant gig. And stagnant gigs lead to a stagnant scene.
Now I understand that if theres a band singing songs about a drug-free lifestyle, it can seem very insulting to have half the crowd sippin' a cider. (So i'm careful to do all my drinking outside of the main room.) There will always be people who will go to a straight-edge show and drink. A person should not be forced to live by someone elses standards.
If they want to drink, Let them drink. In the end they're there for exactly the same reason as everyone else: to encourage and nurture a local scene and to throw their support behind people living thier lives by thier own standards. And yet alot of straight-edge/vegan kids have no respect for non- straight-edge/vegan kids who live by THEIR own standards.
Now who was it that said we needed to reach-out to the goth's, emo's and punk's of college green?
I think you might wanna have a long, hard think about the concequences of this before you do so. Why exactly do we need to bring these kids in? Is it to make the community better? Or just to make it bigger?
It seems you think the latter.. and to be frank, i find the suggestion appaulling. All you people focus on is making your target audience bigger. you're focussing on pulling more people to shows.. for what? The community needs people who are open to ideas, who look for new ways to do things, who are PASSIONATE about what they do. The community DOES NOT NEED copycat clones just to bolster the ranks. Only the people who profit from the scene want that. If anything we need LESS mainstream exposure. Not more of it.
By "profit from the scene" i don't simply mean monetarily. It's people who want to make themselves seem like a big figure. People who want to be looked up to. Or make their opinion worth more than everybody elses. It's people who go round saying "I've been here for n years. WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?"
So what if you've fucking been here n years. WHAT HAVE YOU BROUGHT? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? These should be the questions that fucking count. instead we're stuck with people struggling for 1up's over eachother. That ain't hardcore. Thats fucking SCENE-KIDS.
As for the comment of "people in bristol prefer a metal sound more" : OF FUCKING COURSE "people" in bristol enjoy a metal sound more. People all over the world prefer a metal sound more. Simply because "metal" is a hell of a lot more comercially viable.
"Metal" (though i enjoy it,) is fundementally easier to get into than hardcore-punk. Simply because Metal is a counter-culture, NOT a sub-culture.
The difference being that people who want to move away from mainstream culture immediatly move to a counter-culture, which is in essence the same culture with a different image over the top. Counter culture is pretty much everything you can find in any "alternative" clothing store. Counter cultures include RnB, Grunge, modern Emo, (as oppossed to mid 90's emo which is infact a sub-culture,) Metalcore. All these genres are counter culture.
If you think of Popular-culture as a positive charge, then the negative charge would be Counter-culture; essentially the same, but with different names. Sub-culture is at once both positive and negative. It is a Self-Enforced re-design of culture. Instead of simply a move away from popular-culture.
Also: it seems for some reason all the kids who scream DIY every 2 seconds want to knock local band No Warning Shot at every possible occasion. As far as i can see this stems from one thing and one thing only. They've managed to do something that you fuckers couldn't. They stirred things up and actually got people passionate about something. You go round saying that you want something to change and then you talk behind their backs because they've tried to make a fucking change.
YOU'RE A FUCKING DISGRACE.
The reason kids from outside bristol come to our shows is the comradery. It's PRECISELY BECAUSE the kids support genre-crossing. It's PRECISELY BECAUSE we have kids happy to hear a message that contradicts their own. It is PRECISELY BECAUSE we all help each-other out and we're all here together.
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Post by Aimee Hate on Aug 4, 2008 11:40:01 GMT
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Post by The Corleone Family on Aug 4, 2008 14:25:43 GMT
Alex, thats hadly the case. Its my undestanding that NWS just want to focus on their other projects (Burning Skies, The Remnants, PsychoBaby). They have worked hard to build up a fan-base in Bristol and its really paid off, there is no way a 'scene' let them down in any way as they've played a countless number of successful shows here! Regarding that long post I skim-read. I'll say my piece and leave it at this......... I've always flyered college green (along with various shops, cafes, shows and events) because I want as many people at my shows as possible. I don't care if they're into hardcore or ragga, if they read a flyer and feel like coming then thats cool with me. That being said, I suppose being selective about who comes to hardcore shows is probably easy when you dont have a shitload of money tied up in a silly guarantee for a big hardcore band. I set up The Corleone Family so I could bring some cool bands to Bristol and give some local bands the chance to play with them, i've never really given a fuck about 'Building a Scene' or any of the bullshit politics that most hardcore scenes suffer. Anyone who knows me will know i've never been big on hardcore 'ethics'. Quite simply, I wanted to bring some of my favorite bands to Bristol and I have, job done. I hope everyone's enjoyed watching bands like Madball, H20 and Raised Fist as much as me. Life really is too short to be concened with anything this unimportant, just enjoy the bands people put on and ignore the drama. All the best people.
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Post by 3j3ct4 on Aug 4, 2008 16:32:51 GMT
The Corleone Family has contributed alot to Bristol's scene. I enjoyed pretty much every C.F. show I've been to, as have most of my friends. I understand alot of money gets tied up in these guarantee's but if the scene was stronger, (not neccisarily bigger,) then any show would be more likely to attract a decent amount of kids along. And correct me if i'm wrong but surely that would lead to a reduction in the need for an enormous guarantee?
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Post by Aimee Hate on Aug 4, 2008 16:50:34 GMT
A guarantee is up to the booking agent. Its possible to barter with them, but as standard its either a take it or leave it policy, because there's always some 17 myspace promoter kid with a load of money that will do it instead. As well as a guarantee for the headling band theres support bands to pay, the venue and the sound guy. Plus it always helps to cover the cost of flyers and posters, but that rarely happens.
I don't understand what you mean about the scene being stronger.... Most shows in Bristol are always packed, with a great atmosphere. We have our own news letter thing (which all be it doesn't come out that much!), a forum (in which the majority of posters are friends in real life and see each other at shows and outside of shows), a great venue in The Croft, and there are loads of new people turning up who weren't about a year or so ago. Every show i've ever done has been a success, and i've broken even every time, and i think Fran would say the same thing ba one or 2 shows. I put on shows because i love the bands and want to see them. Not for some social staus gain or anything of that nature. Heck, I dont even live in Bristol anymore and i'm still doing it.
The point i guess i'm trying to make is this thread was started well over a year ago as an interesting debate to see what people thought, and since then things have gone from strength to strength. There are always hardcore shows here and that was never the case before. The only person who seems to have anything negative or confrontational to say is you!
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